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In my opinion, at the moment it seems like a bad idea, but it remains to be seen how UK is affected long term. There are talks of Scotland and Northern Ireland holding referendums to leave the UK as their people voted to stay in EU. I'm not sure how Wales voted, but it seems like the major push for leaving EU came from England. Could we see a UK break-up as well?

As much as I think this is a horrible idea, I don't blame the people for voting this way at all. The EU was supposed to be an economic union, but it apparently has turned into something far bigger, and I don't blame Brits not wanting some faceless bureaucracy thousands of miles away making decisions for them. I understand the reason EU was formed in the aftermath of WWII, in a sense it was a liberal world order designed to keep the peace and stop another fascist from rising. But it seems like over the years it has only created more resentment in the hearts of people and has created all these ultra conservative mini-fascists rising to power on essentially the same platform Hitler campaigned on and acquired power.

I really hope this is an isolated incident and doesn't lead to the ultra conservatives in other EU countries calling for their own exit. I can't imagine the world with the likes of Donald Trump and Boris Johnson (The British Trump as I like to call him lol) in power. I sincerely hope we're not on the path to WWIII.
 

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Don't ask me for a strong opinion because I haven't got one. I didn't vote vote because I'm in the USA but had I have been there I think there would have been a very long hovering of pencil over the ballot paper. The trouble is finding out some meaningful info about what the implications might be. The vast majority aren't sure so they've just gone with their gut and said no. Every newspaper for years has criticised the cost of being in and for the last few years Europe has been inundated with refugees. I think most of these people hope this will all stop. I must admit, the EU appears to cost a lot but how on earth can you judge it. As for refugees, I only know that if bombs and rockets were raining down around my family I'd be inclined to walk half way around the world to get away from it - it's a harrowing situation. What I would hope for there is more help from the west in resolving the issues. They'd probably rather stay at home than risk what they do.

It's a good question gm. I suppose we'll see.
 

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If you're 65, own your own home and have a pension, its fantastic for you. If younger and just starting out, its horrible.

The problem with some in society is that the "I've got mine, you get yours" mentality creates a have vs have not population.
 

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Like anchorman I have no strong opinion as I don't live there. But, of course it does affect all of us around the world. Wish I could understand more about it. On the lighter side, a friend is just about to leave for the US and then onto the UK. We said he'd have more buying power as our dollar strengthens agains the pound BUT....oh no, less buying power in the US as our dollar falls against the greenback. So, that's what they mean by "swings and roundabouts"?
 

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If you're 65, own your own home and have a pension, its fantastic for you. If younger and just starting out, its horrible.

The problem with some in society is that the "I've got mine, you get yours" mentality creates a have vs have not population.
I don't get your point DJ9999.
According to media polls it is the young voting "stay" and the elderly preferring to leave EU. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 

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I don't get your point DJ9999.
According to media polls it is the young voting "stay" and the elderly preferring to leave EU. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
That is my point. The Elderly have theirs and have less to lose in a spiraling economy (so they don't care about leaving). Leaving the EU will be devastating to those who are younger and just starting out (so they want to stay in).
 

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That is my point. The Elderly have theirs and have less to lose in a spiraling economy (so they don't care about leaving). Leaving the EU will be devastating to those who are younger and just starting out (so they want to stay in).
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That is my point. The Elderly have theirs and have less to lose in a spiraling economy (so they don't care about leaving). Leaving the EU will be devastating to those who are younger and just starting out (so they want to stay in).
It would be interesting to know how many of the under 30's, say, didn't bother to register to vote and of those who did, how many didn't in fact get out and vote or vote by post or proxy. After all, everyone who voted's vote is equal and counts.
 

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The votes were cast and the result announced.

But hang on........some people now sign a petition to have another go as they don't like the result?

And exactly how many times must we vote? Oh until you get the result you prefer. But hang on maybe the other side will then also sign a petition? Utterly ridiculous. This is not how it works.
 

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The EU was a bad idea. (way too much, way too fast) But having signed on to it, exiting is an even worse idea.
If you have a tiger by the tail, the last thing you want to do is to let go.
 

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My view is that this referendum will prove to be a mere blip in the flow of history. The world is inexorably inching toward a universal economy and world order (except perhaps for North Korea - and even it will be forced to bite the bullet and join with the rest of the world eventually). It may take another 100 years or more but it will happen IMHO in spite of the nations that will continue to kick and scream against it.
 

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As you say rockposer, the Brexit losers seem to think democracy is only a valid exercise if their side wins. But a referendum is not a game of rock, paper, scissors that can be extended to the best of three if you don't like the result.
 

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The votes were cast and the result announced.

But hang on........some people now sign a petition to have another go as they don't like the result?

And exactly how many times must we vote? Oh until you get the result you prefer. But hang on maybe the other side will then also sign a petition? Utterly ridiculous. This is not how it works.
This referendum was poorly thought out. There should have been clear rules, such as:
1) at least 75% voter turnout
2) the winning vote must win by at least 60% or the status quo remains

This was a major thing to be decided by a voter turnout of about 50% and a margin of 3%! This is why there is a call to do the referendum again but this time with rules. it simply makes no sense for something as serious as this that affects all of UK to be decided by something like 15 million people or however many voted leave!
 

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Only 36% of 18 to 24 year olds registered to vote did, whereas 86% of 55 to 64 did
So if the young are blaming the old," he who snoozes looses"
Be interesting to know what percentage those registered to vote is of the total population in that age range. Might bring that 36% of those registered down to 25% or even less of the actual population in that age range. As they say about the Lottery, you've "got to be in it to win it" or something like that.
 

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The votes done. The problem is what happens next. We've gone from a nicely recovering economy where houses were selling and people were investing to a dead stop. What a shambles.
 

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I read this morning that some are wanting to have a second vote. Apparently the ramifications of what the first vote meant were not clear.

I also read that just because the vote was to leave, there is no process to actually enforce the exit. Basically the referendum can be ignored.
 

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For quite a while, loonies in my beloved Texas have been calling secession and now it is becoming an actual movement, "Texit" (not very creative on their part). Yes, Texas comprises the 12th largest economy in the world, but still. I try to follow local, national and world politics and economies the best that I can (or interest level) but I have no idea how Brexit will work out. I am hoping for the best for the UK because I believe the EU was becoming way too bureaucratic and some nations were not paying their "fair share" (or getting bailed out) whilst other nations were called upon to pay more (the UK included). But hey, I do not live there and my main concerns are providing for my family and what happens when it is time for college for my wee ones (I will be in my late 60s).
 

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The votes done. The problem is what happens next. We've gone from a nicely recovering economy where houses were selling and people were investing to a dead stop. What a shambles.
Honestly, what happens next doesn't look good. UK must negotiate the exit within the next two years, and it is a LOT of negotiations to do. Thousands of regulations and deals to sift through, and many many negotiations to review with other countries. Also, the EU may look to punish UK economically to make an example out of them so other countries don't think about doing this.

This segment from John Oliver may put a funny twist on this, but it is a great watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh0ac5HUpDU
 

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greaseman you said:

There should have been clear rules, such as:
1) at least 75% voter turnout
2) the winning vote must win by at least 60% or the status quo remains

I agree with 1) but, think 2) is "rigging the poll".

Why should the "want to stayers" have anymore advantage than those who wanted to leave?

If it was so critical ( and I think is was) then 1) would have helped.

Anyhow, now it's all in the past......They should decide what they are going to DO NOW. (or, SHOULD have thought BEFORE what they would do if the vote was to leave).
 
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