**** you are dense. Let's do this dog and pony show again...
And you're still missing my point that experience on other platforms may be completely irrelevant. Why don't you try it and prove that your hypotheses work instead of speculating? You might be right, but also you could be wrong.
Experience on other platforms is not irrelevant. Do you think all cars are designed in a vacuum? The same fixes VERY frequently work across platforms from various brands. Was I stating it these ides would 100% work? Nope. But they are great starting points.
If you had read this thread from the beginning you'd know why I haven't tried it yet. The reason (again) is that I'm researching new dailys and I won't buy a car that can't completely disable stability control. Right now I'm leaning toward a Forester XT even though it's larger.
Obviously, some here need some education if they think they can predict and react faster than a computer. Not even mentioning being able to apply brakes independently to each wheel as needed. Having fun is one thing. Normal driving is something else entirely. I was describing the exact situation someone else was saying they were afraid the DSC system would cause a problem in. I firmly dispute that claim. This is exactly the scenario DSC is designed to help in. If you think exceeding the traction limits of your tires is helping pull you through a turn in an emergency maneuver, you're simply wrong. How often is a Scandinavian Flick needed in an emergency? I will accept a claim that it is possible the system cuts "too much" power in an effort to maintain traction and stability, but I think that's going to be a pretty hard claim to back up with proof.
Did anyone say they can predict faster than a computer? Nope. But the computer also can't see what a human can see, can't turn the wheel, can't make the decision to use acceleration instead of brakes. It's not an AI driver, it's a basic set of paramaters braking one wheel or many based on some limited data it's receiving.
As to your comment of " If you think exceeding the traction limits of your tires is helping pull you through a turn in an emergency maneuver, you're simply wrong." There is some irony in this comment. I'm guessing you've never been to, let alone competed in any driving event on snow/ice have you? I'll answer it for you, you haven't. Because if you have you would realize that YES INDEED you often can pull yourself through a corner using power.
May be better off? No. There is plenty of empirical evidence to prove that accident rates have decreased significantly with these systems enabled and it's better to leave them on in all but a very few special use cases. I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any examples of DSC being a cause of an accident. Go ahead and google it for yourself. I did and found nothing. Auto manufacturers provide guidance on how/when to disable traction control, but it is never recommended by any manufacturer I've ever seen to turn off DSC for street use. Seriously... Try Google and see if you can find anywhere from a reputable source that says when it's a good time to ever turn it off except for at the race track? Even at the track, I've provided a source that says it's dumb to turn it off there, too, unless you're a professional race driver.
I stated some drivers may be better off. Again SOME DRIVERS MAY BE BETTER OFF. (And we were talking in some conditions.) Based on the next part of your post below, we know that doesn't apply to you.
Yes I agree if you ever go to a race track, you better leave stability control on. Your source is geared towards people like you, so yes you should listen to it. FYI that is talking about traditional dry pavement racing, where oversteer is typically losing you time anyway. If I'm running at Grattan or Waterford Hills or Gingerman in a car, I don't bother to turn stability control off, unless I'm noticing it really interfering, which is rare if you are smooth. But again, everyone in this thread wanting to disable it is asking for it for snowy conditions.
I repeat: everyone in this thread wanting to disable stability control is asking for it for snowy conditions.
And congrats to you, too, on being able to control it in every situation you encountered. I owned a 2002 WRX with a 5-speed myself and had it for four years. It eventually put me into a tree. I was over-confident in the car's (and my own) capability and was probably driving too fast for conditions. I changed lanes after a heavy, wet snowfall. The lane I was in was not recently plowed and had 4-5 inches of slush. The lane was changing to was recently plowed. I was expecting it to pull to one side when I changed lanes, but not to the extent that it did. The sudden change in traction between the two sides of the vehicle put it into an unrecoverable skid. I couldn't react quickly enough to avoid the skid. Brakes were the first instinct, and had no effect. Gas and steering into the skid equally had no effect because I had overcome the limits of available traction. DSC and traction control systems could have helped in this situation, though, certainly not a guarantee by any means. You have your anecdotal evidence and I have mine.
You lost control changing lanes in an AWD car that's literally known to be a snow tank. I think this is more a statement on your driving than on stability control systems.
I've never experienced anything like what you describe with difficulties changing lanes or with rutted snow, up to 5-6 inches deep anyway, even with the crappy factory all-season tires on my 16" wheels. Things could certainly be different if you're rolling on the slightly wider factory 18" wheels. It should also be noted that my CX-3 is the 2016 Touring model and does not have any lane-keeping assists/warnings which can affect what you're describing and I have heard complaints like those on other vehicles with those systems, though I haven't looked for complaints like that on CX-3 specifically. And this is not a discussion of whether or not the car "needs" DSC. No car "needs" it. But you are better off with it. Even in a WRX. If you weren't better off with it, Subaru wouldn't be putting it on their present models. Of course, part of that is due to regulatory reasons. Some countries require it now for new cars, so it ends up in all markets.
Again, wasn't me describing it, but others have mentioned it in this very thread, and on other threads, both on this forum and others, in both the CX-3 and CX-5.
Also automakers are putting stability control on every model because they are required to by law.
If you guys want to continue to delude yourselves that you're better off with DSC turned off in everyday street use, by all means, go for it. Just hope your insurance companies don't find out about it if you ever get in a wreck which is statistically more likely to happen when it's off.
Nobody is arguing to leave it off "All the time." I simply made the appoint that it wasn't some necessary, you are going to die without it feature.
I live in Northern Michigan and if we have a foot of un-plowed snow on the ground, yes I want stability control off, the car is going to crab as it moves through the rutted deep snow, and I don't need stability control fighting it and cutting power the whole time.
